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Post by AckbarRedux on Dec 15, 2003 1:19:53 GMT -5
So as not to make my response too ridiculous, I am breaking into two parts, and will post the second part very soon. This is up to Crazy's breakdown of the article: Always great when called a liar and subjective when I quote a mod. Unless the mod posts an apology, not sure why I would do anything other then report what was said. In case it was missed, as I see it I even provided the source in the article. If I am wrong, will gladly re-print the actual events. I do think that Forum Banned sort of speaks loudly, especially after you spammed the thread with different puppets. i'll tell you what i know.. (short version) corinthe's nation hideout was in monte carlo, when it was invaded. so it's considered a native. fisz kept kicking her out, and hideout kept returning. (fisz had to remove her from the banlist, because she's a native) this caused a nice spamming of the regional happenings in both monte carlo and the rejected ralms. thus, neut ruled fisz could keep her on the banlist. (so allowing him to ban a native) corinthe got angry, and spammed the thread with her puppets, so she got an forum ip ban.. (but of course, i am not unbiased...) also, you can read more about it here, here and here This plus Corinthe became very angry at the idea that she would be continually kicked from the region. So angry that she flamed Neut a bit IMHO, but he was fairly restrained. It was a flawed argument, and I linked so all can see it. She was angry that she kept getting kicked out of the region while ignoring the fact that she kept going in, knowing she was going to be kicked. The invader, in this case, was following game rules. This was hardly a cause for spamming the forums, thus she was forum banned. Or at least that is what Rep Prod seemed to insinuate with the rather large FORUMBANNED. I give you permission to quote Analyse, which is ten time less biased than Ackbar. It has been posted in the Pacific HQ now. I'm not gonna tell the story here again. And since you want to make this personal, which I will avoid, I will ask you—how am I biased? I have been working with several groups to take down FS, and have long fought against the oh-so-common illegal invader. If I seem biased, it is merely because I have a large regard for the rules. As well, can you think of any other time I have been negative to you? To the contrary, I befriended you in a casual acquaintance manner. Sorry, Cor, but the acquasation of being biased is silly. Am I biased against issues, sure, I have opinions. Am I biased against players, not really. The one or two people I could honestly be accused of being biased against do not include you. And let us not forget, before you want me to stand up for you and not consider you a rule-breaker, that you spammed a forum, were warned by the mods, and continued to spam the forums. Not a smart move, and at that point you became a rule-breaker. Initially I just disagreed with you on the issue (feel free to read what I posted, it’s in that same thread). Now, however, I would have to remove a bit of respect for your decision to spam. That said, you need to not get angry at me, despite how you feel about the situation. I am glad your sister reports you, but that has nothing to do with the fact you were forum banned (again, assuming I understand Rep Prods post), which is the meat of the story (thus the title).
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Post by AckbarRedux on Dec 15, 2003 1:34:40 GMT -5
Well, this seemed to be two-part issue. I picked up on the ban list issues in this post, her second on the NS thread www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103924&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 : In this I may have understated that it was being kicked from a region, though I did pick up on the ban list issue early on. So, I may have not captured the full issue when writing the story, as stated I did write it very quickly. There was a lot of talk about being remove from the ban list, though, and this was the main issue, so I stand behind this being crucial to the issue. But to be honest, her logic here was splotchy at best, so I am sorry if I did not capture it completely. In short, she was mad that she kept getting kicked from the region, though she is the one who kept choosing to go in there knowing she would be kicked. Would she prefer the solution of not being taken off the ban list, ensuring she can’t return at all? Obviously not, since she then gets mad she can no longer go into the region. But we do need to go a bit further into the news flash, the second part you listed next to really look into the belly of the issue: Rather then blame herself for continuing to go back into the region, she blamed the mods for not, essentially, changing the rules. This, despite the fact that this game change would have given much more power to invaders. This is not biased, albeit I will admit my language is not comforting or reserved. She was mad that the invaders kept kicking her out of the region, and blamed the mods for not changing the rules for her. Simply, if anyone thinks this is baised 1) read the rules, 2) read the post when she gets mad first because they won’t change the rules. She seemed to want the mods to disallow her nation from being kicked, and in so decided to break the rules by spamming a thread. If I am wrong on this, and I am wrong on a lot I know, point out please were fact meets fiction. Moving along, "It was sad to see someone who seemed smart, fall into a self-made pit in such a sad, and graceless manner. " On this, I am biased. I give you credit for being smart, and consider forum spamming a dumb thing to do. Do you disagree with this? If Corinthe is not forum banned, I will write a new article on this. But, as of yet, that does seem to hold. So I am not sure what is so controversial other then the issue itself. Please, don’t hold me in contempt for typing what I observe. Or rather, hold me in contempt if you wish but don’t allow that to blur the actual issue. I want to find the truth just as much as anyone else, and encourage all to point out what a horribly biased person I am. But use specifics, and site yourself, so we can be sure it is not simply bias itself. Thanks, and hope debate and truth take precedence to popularity or ill-thought reactions (this goes to both myself and those who take issue with the article). I am willing to discuss this, as this very long response should prove. Please, point out where I am wrong, and I will write something new if necessary. Point out where I am biased, and I will see to what level this might effect the article. But if you do, please do be specific and not frustrated if I also take the time to respond. ~Ackbar Ps, sorry I got the quotes wrong, got to figure out how to tag them properly.
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 15, 2003 5:04:21 GMT -5
Dear [violet], I am writing this because gamemoderator Neutered Sputniks has done something that is definitely not in the spirit of the game. Let me explain: My puppet nation Hideout was residing in a region called Monte Carlo for a few months. Monte Carlo is a fun place to be, because it always gets invaded. Hey, I like that pert of the game, why not But now the place got invaded again, but my puppet, a native of Monte Carlo got ejected by the invaders. Still, no big deal, I simply returned to the place, but I got ejected again. I returned and got ejected again. It didn't stop. The nation that ejected me, begun to provoke me by calling his nation's prequisition after my main nation. He didn't allowe my naion Hideout to return anymore, since he wasn't allowed to keep me on the banlist (I was a native), it became repetative. I was desperately trying to return to my own beloved Monte Carlo (you should come and visit some day). I was calling for attention of the moderators, but the said, that it was okay to ban me, as long as the invaders took me immediately off the banlist. The invader felt strengtened by this rule and kept on ejecting me. I was desperately trying to return, and suddenly Neutred Sputniks makes a 180 degree turn, and said that it was okay to keep me on the banlist, because my desperate attempts was spamming. The invader's constantly ejecting me, was my fault. If I simply gave up, the invaders would stop ejecting me, and everything would be okay. So his ejecting me, was no spamming, but my desperate attempts to return to my beloved Monte Carlo was spam. This sets an awful presedent to all future invaders. They are allowed to eject natives, and make sure that it looks like spam, when they return. I give you the urls to the thread in which I started the discussion, or in which I desperately tried to get help in this situation: Topic = www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103426www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2355444www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2355474Admin@nationstates.net. I hope that you help in this. I don't want future natives to suffer also, bacause of this sudden change in rule. Your's: Corinthe.
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 15, 2003 5:09:21 GMT -5
Two of the 3 thread have vanished. Probably merged, but who knows.
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Post by Crazy Girl on Dec 15, 2003 5:16:29 GMT -5
nope, they're still there, cor.. just click on the links i posted..
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 15, 2003 6:17:27 GMT -5
nope, they're still there, cor.. just click on the links i posted.. Nah, I am banned anyway Hmmm... Strange. On Invision they all work
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Post by Crazy Girl on Dec 15, 2003 6:33:56 GMT -5
oops, sorry, i forgot..
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Post by CG on Dec 15, 2003 11:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 15, 2003 11:58:27 GMT -5
You are kiddin, right? Do you mean I went through all this because of a multying cheater? Now I think of it, you are not CG. CG would have logged in. This can't be true
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Post by Crazy Girl on Dec 15, 2003 12:22:30 GMT -5
it was me, and it's true, fisz got deleted, not for having multis, but for griefing
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 15, 2003 12:24:18 GMT -5
it was me, and it's true, fisz got deleted, not for having multis, but for griefing That means I'm back I still don't believe it. The site is down, so I can't join I can't believe this, because Neutered Sputniks gave permission to ban. Very strange
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Post by AckbarRedux on Dec 15, 2003 16:11:17 GMT -5
That means I'm back I still don't believe it. The site is down, so I can't join I can't believe this, because Neutered Sputniks gave permission to ban. Very strange Would love to write a story on it, but not able to visit NS from work, so don't have the proper threads to source. He was not banned for keeping you out of the region, and that does not imply you are un-Forumbanned (which again, I wonder why you called me a liar for stating this previosily, but I will pass this off as you being upset-- if you still feel so strongly about this, I would welcome a dicussion based on my response already posted-- but if you prefer not to, that is fine as well). The reason he was banned is for not giving you the PW in the first place. Apparantly his earlier nation was the DEL, but he accidently resigned from the UN. Instead of giving you the PW, he waited til he became leader again and took the Pw off. This, I am sure you are aware of, as it is being argued by Ballo that the mods were asked for help in this manner a long time ago and did nothing to help you out. Fisz says he had "forgotten" the Pw he set up, a laughable excuse whether it is true or not. Regardless, he should have used Getting Help or posted on forums to be sure not to be seen as a griefer, by not permitting you back in at the time. Since he did neither, and admitted it, he was Deated. I think one emerging problem I am seeing (added by reading the long post by now retired Slag) is a shortage of moderation. The cynical me could say that they simply choose to do the easy moderations, and not dig on issues like you had intially posted by requesting the pw to Monte so long ago. I don't fully think that, though. I just thinkt hey are bogged down, and need some more GMs. Either way, good luck with your email to the Admin. It really was a shame you didn't hold on, as you see you would have gotten a chance back in the region with a deleted Del. Surely now you must regret your decision to become ForumBanned, instead of waiting the situation out (regardless of how frustrated you were).
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 15, 2003 17:15:36 GMT -5
My forum ban is just. I naver said that it wasn't. I yelled a curse at the moderators. I would also IP ban someone for that, with the difference that the ban would never be lifted The only difference is, that the reason for my forum ban happened the next day. I got a moderator's TG with a warning. I got the grand total of 4 warnings now. 3 for Hideout, because she spammed the regional happenings of the RR and refused to stop, and one for Corinthe spamming also during the Glitch invasion. I don't care what your opinion is about the whole case. I decided to let it slide, because I am in a celebration mood now. It is justic what is done, and I'm back in Monte Carlo with the grand total of 26 nation, which all soon be natives, when this battle is over.
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Post by Crazy Girl on Dec 16, 2003 6:44:32 GMT -5
seems to me the problem is solved ;D
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Post by BlackAdder on Dec 16, 2003 8:25:18 GMT -5
The issue of Monte Carlo may be solved Corinthe but you are not winning friends for lashing out the way you do. Mods have long memories and so does the spectators on the sidelines. Your actions have damaged you, perhaps you should refrain from responding to things until your emotions are in check. I'd hate to lose such an interesting adversary to ill thought out actions and emotionally charged mistakes.
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