Twinkles: Is he really gone?

[Twinkles]

[glow=red,2,300]NEWSFLASH! NEWSFLASH! NEWSFLASH![/glow]

This is Twinkly sparkles, bringing you the official news that Francos Spain is no longer Delegate in the Pacific!(Though for how long is uncertain)

Though it is unclear why at this moment in time, The pacific has NO DELEGATE at all! Many people are saying that they want peace-lover and freedome speaker CORINTHE to become the Delegate.

[glow=red,2,300]TWINKLES:[/glow]
Francos is no longer Delegate, and Many people want YOU to take the position. How do you feel?

[glow=blue,2,300]Corinthe:[/glow]
I am running for it, but don't expect me to be delegate for long. With Francos and his friends on the banlist, freedom and free speech will be back. I'm just in it to bring freedom to all the natives of The Pacific, not for the power.

[glow=red,2,300]TWINKLES:[/glow]
Very admirable - could you please tell me how it happened? Why does the Pacific have no Delegate at this moment in time?

[glow=blue,2,300]Corinthe:[/glow]
The update bugged. There is nothing more to say. The discussion has already started by Francos, and that actually triggert me to join The Pacific again.
Btw, if the miracle happens that I become delegate, you may keep me on my promise, to give everybody (Except Francos) an equal chance to become delegate

[glow=red,2,300]TWINKLES:[/glow]
If you were Delegate, what would you do to prevent a 'Francos/ tyrant' situation ever happening again?

[glow=blue,2,300]Corinthe[/glow]
I will do nothing about that. The situation is as it is. Anybody would be free to become delegate. Another dictator would be just another challenge again
I never gave Francos any rest, and I'm not scared, if free speech will bring another Francos in power. Remember, it's just a game

[glow=red,2,300]TWINKLES:[/glow]
Thanks, I'm sure you'd make an excellent Delegate

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I now go over to interview one of the natives, Borisland.

[glow=red,2,300]TWINKLES:[/glow]
How do you feel about Francos losing his position as Delegate?

[glow=green,2,300]Borisland[/glow]
I think it's a good opportunity to show Francos that he's not wanted here, and that the only reason he's delegate is by preying on n00b endorsement traders.

[glow=red,2,300]TWINKLES:[/glow]
Who would YOU like to become the next Delegate?

[glow=green,2,300]Borisland:[/glow]
Corinthe.

[glow=red,2,300]TWINKLES:[/glow]
Any particular reason for that decision?

[glow=green,2,300]Borisland:[/glow]She's been a 'victim' of Francos for some time now, and as I see it, it would be poetic justice if she was the one to eject him at long last.

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It seems Francos is not the only person to have lost his delegate position for no apparent reason - All over the world Delegated who have been unseated are complaining

My nation, the United States of Free Socialism, lost it's delegacy in the Anticapitalist Alliance region two hours ago. However, with 50 endorsments we should certainly have it; also, no new nation has been appointed delegate by the game.

What's up with this?

[glow=purple,2,300]- Posted by Free socialism -[/glow]

It would seem every UN delegate in NationStates has just lost delegate status.

EDIT: Er, well, alot of them at least.

Further edit: Okay, it looks to just be a (perhaps induced) side effect of [violet] kicking everything back into motion again.

Edit #3: Okay, best I can figure, every region which already had an update earlier today just lost its delegate, while regions which haven't experienced an update for the last day or two are functioning normally.

[glow=yellow,2,300]-Posted by Francos spain-[/glow]

Greetings to All and Sundry,

I too am among the many long established Nations, who mysteriously just lost their Delegateship, but as I have not lost my Endorsements I am not overly worried. Also, I am relieved to find out that all of the endorsments I have given to UN Proposals hasn't vanished (which apparently happens during Delegate changes).

This will likely get taken care of in the next system update and if not the Admin will go to work on whatever new bug has surfaced. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the time change, Daylight Savings Time, but it did seem to coincide with the event. I suggest staying calm and letting Admin sort the thing out. Even if they can't do anyting about it, there's precious little you can do about it and panicking will accomplish little.

Grande Elector Bruce

Dominion of the Bruce

[glow=purple,2,300]-Posted by the bruce-[/glow]

Can someone tell me how i lost my seat as Delegate of my region when i hold the most endorsements?

[glow=yellow,2,300]-Posted by Enotita-[/glow]

the same has happened to me, it is un explained, weird.
ive emailed admin.
Deluwiel

[glow=purple,2,300]-Posted by New Orlando-[/glow]

Reploid Productions (A senior Game moderator) says

A nation's data somehow got screwed up, and the server update got stuck on that nation and couldn't move past it. We're still not sure how Neo Wisconsin got mucked up in the first place x_xthat

So it seems Francos is not the only one to feel it...

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Meanwhile, In the pacific, Corinthes quest for Delegate seems to be attracting some fans... 'The free land of Corinthe for delegate' has also joined in the festivities (Her first fan nation... rather different to Francos enemy-nation *LOL*) and I am guessing that it won't be long before many others do... There is no denying that Corinthe wouldn't do a good job, and her endorsements are rapidly growing (a little behind Francos, but still) And she does seem to be almost the opposite to him...

[glow=blue,2,300]Please people, do not send TGs to the endorcees of Francos!
Telegramming would be spamming. I will not break any rules to become delegate. That would be against everything I stand for!

-=Corinthe=-[/glow]

And she even has the support of a few familiar faces...

[glow=green,2,300]Hello, I too support Corinthe and that is why I'm not here asking for endorsements. this is, as some of you know, Jennivier, or my puppet nation at least. Good luck to all of you, it is time this region be set free and given back to its members.[/glow]

Good luck to everyone involved Its nice to see some good, healthy competition in the pacific! Its a welcome change from tyranny...

[glow=red,2,300]Twinkles x[/glow]

*** Information taken from The NationStates forum, and pacific regional HQ ***

[Twinkles]

Defenders are posting this:

[glow=blue,2,300]WHAT HAPPENED:
A bug in the system caused Francos to loose his delegacy. We must seize this opppurtunity, so please help us to put an end to his tyranny.

NEWS:
networkradio.proboards21.com

PACIFIC BANLIST:
www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/page=region_control/region=the_pacific

WHO TO ENDORSE:
Corinthe, pct, the savage lands, 50cents, the islands of Asahiem, Melicanium, Borisland, NASTIC 2, and anyone else you feel like

WHO TO UNENDORSE:
Francos Spain, InfernoIce, Poskrebyshev, Quintraxx

THIS IS THE TIME, FRANCOS IS OUT OF POWER....
COME ENDORSE CORINTHE TODAY IN THE PACIFIC!
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[Twinkles]

This is Twinkly Sparkles giving you the official news that Francos has regained the pacific.

This has been a crippling blow for all involved in the attack, and the window of opportunity has now closed.

The following telegram was sent to all of Corinthes endorsers:

***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***

You've been duped! The nation of Corinthe is a puppet of one of Francos Spain's supporters. Withdraw your endorsement of Corinthe IMMEDIATELY and give it to a nation who deserves it or else we'll find ourselves in the same fiasco all over again.

***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***ALERT***

I'm wondering whether it was one of Francos supporters who sent it...

Keep tuned to NetWorkRadio, I hope to being you some interviews soon.

[Twinkles]

In a tragic new turn of events, corinthe, who was within 3/4 endorsements of francos, has issued the following statement:

[glow=purple,2,300]The game has been fun, and it sure came close in the Pacific. For me this game is over. The exitement has been too much for me. I don't blame any of the mods for what has happened. After all they did what they thought was right. Fair play must alway stay on the first place. Exploiting a glitch/ bug was not exactly fair of me to do.
Turned out that this game was more for adults than I ever could imagine. I hope that you all continue the game as you have done before. Remember; The Pacific is not worth it, and definitely Francos not. Exploit his ejection, and try to comfort the unfortunates in another less hostile region.
Please be nice to your fellow player, because you'll never know what kind of emotions are on the other side They are people too, you know. Flaming and spamming can have effects you never know on them.
I called sick from school, because of my state. I never knew that winning this was so important for me. How could I have been so stupid!
Remember, Neut is really a nice guy, and I sure that he's very sorry how things went. After all, who could know that [violet] would turn things around just a little time before the update, when all my lovely friend had gone away in dissapointment, or just went to sleep. I could not sleep for the whole night. My parents are very angry, because they thought I was sleeping

My days in NationStates are over. Maybe we see each other again in NS2, if nobody steals the name Corinthe You guys were just too nice for me.
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NationStates just won't be the same without you, Corinthe...

[Twinkles]

Neutered sputniks (A well known senior moderator) Has said the following about happenings in the pacific:

After much deliberation, the Mod Squad and Admin have reached the conclusion that the best course of action is to take no action. In other words, no Moderator intervention at this time is necessary, and the players involved are encouraged to play through the situation.

It is not the position of the Moderators, nor the Administrators, of this site to dictate political happenings in a region. Francos Spain was duly elected to the position of Delegate by his peers, and although his actions might seem immoral, they are within the bounds of the rules set forth for this game and are therefore not cause for Moderator intervention. Political coups happen quite often in Real Life, and former political leaders, their allies, and percieved threats - real or not - are often desposed in the manner Francos Spain desposed Thedoc, his allies, and percieved threats.


--Neutered Sputniks--
NationStates Game Moderator

With the moderators refusing to take action, and the ban list growing larger every day, It seems that this is a problem that will not be solved in a couple of days.... Or even a couple of weeks, for that matter.

Other Nations have been quick to protest against the mods decision:

[glow=green,2,300]Monararchy[/glow]
Here are the statistics of number of nations, delegate endorsements, and number of bans in all the Pacific regions. The figures are slightly out of date already, but it should be clear from them which delegates are fairly elected with the consent of the other nations in the region and which are griefers/tyrants.

The figures given are: Number of nations in region, number of endorsements the delegate has, % of nations in region endorsing the delegate, number of banned nations in the region, % of banned nations in the region (calculated from # of bans /(# of nations + # of bans)

The North Pacific (Treenudity)
4826 645 13.37% 0 0.00%

The South Pacific (LadyRebels)
4715 506 10.73% 6 0.13%

The Pacific (Francos Spain)
4642 192 4.14% 295 5.98%

The West Pacific (Norion)
4326 476 11.00% 24 0.55%

The East Pacific (1 infinite loop)
3818 191 5.00% 68 1.75%

1 infinite loop's ban figure is high, but Franco's is ridiculous. 6% of all nations are banned - that's a *huge* number in a region as large as the Pacific. Franco is the only delegate in any of the pacifics with more bans than endorsements.

The mods have basically declared that mass griefing is OK. The "but real life isn't fair" argument is a copout. This is a GAME, and game's are supposed to be FUN, but this game isn't fun anymore.

Violet, I suggest you update your FAQ. Under the question:
"Once I've taken over a region, can I eject everyone else?"
change the answer to "Yes, this is perfectly legal".

Bye everyone, it was fun till Franco ruined it, and the mods took his side.

And again, the moderaters have refused to take action....

[glow=blue,2,300]Neutered sputniks[/glow]
Francos Spain still holds close to 200 endorsements, no? This would mean that he is still the popularly elected Delegate of the region. Just because you personally disagree with being banned, or disagree with his election, the bottom line is that he still has approx 200 supporters.

As for the total of approx 300 banned nations, many of those are puppets of banned players that were created either to grief Francos Spain, to get around the ban, or to invade and were caught.

[glow=orange,2,300]Vogonia[/glow]
Yeah sure Neut. Unsolicited telegrams from Francos isn't spam. Mass bannings from him isn't grief. Any attempts from anyone to recover the region is spam and grief.

I understand now.


[glow=blue,2,300]Neutered sputniks[/glow]
Francos Spain ejecting threats to his "throne" is entirely legal, and a fairly effective poltical strategy...

I never stated that it was illegal to attempt to use a puppet to despose Francos Spain, merely gave possible reasons for Francos Spain's ejections.



I would suggest that rather than attempt to argue the ruling that was decided upon by the entire Moderation group, you redirect that energy, time, and posting to some other constructive activity.

[glow=yellow,2,300]Balltonia[/glow]
I object to use of the term 'supporters' here. Those endorsements were given by mainly newbies through endorsement swapping. They do not constitute an expression of support for his nation, his policies, or anything else for that matter.

The reality is that feeder regions are very different from other regions in that the rather high percentage of clueless people can completely destroy any political process that might be taking place there.

The insistence of the powers that be to interpret the events in The Pacific as political in nature is IMHO based on wishful thinking, not on the meaning of what is actually happening. The current situation in The Pacific has *NOTHING* to do with politics. Zero. Nada. Nothing at all.

It's purely the abuse of a game mechanic by one person to annoy the hell out of a few hundred others. I understand that this wasn't covered in the rules, fine. But for this to be willingly and knowingly allowed to continue shows IMHO disrespect for the experienced players and ruins the enjoyment they otherwise might get from playing this game. It's very BAD game design.

[glow=blue,2,300]Neutered sputniks:[/glow]

Woah...Francos Spain still has 200 endorsements, a good 2 weeks after assuming the position of delegate? I highly doubt that anyone in that region is unaware of what is going on. Especially not his supporters. Simply because you disagree with someone else's viewpoint does not make the other viewpoint any less right than yours is.

Although, I do appreciate the change from the accusation that the endorsements Francos has are all from somewhat older, inactive nations...

The rest of the conversation can be found www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71435&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

But it still looks like they aren't gonna budge...