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Post by Corinthe on Dec 9, 2003 18:01:02 GMT -5
So basically, most are against Francos, and a small group of peopel are for Francos. Interesting discussion, though this I knew before I even began reading... Beside the fact that you show that you are biased, why did you post this?
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Post by Zhdanov on Dec 10, 2003 1:55:54 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. You all are saying that Francos Spain and his "evil supporters" do not have the right to insult anyone whom they chose. Corithne, what happened to all that talk about freedom of speech? Is freedom of speech meant to only apply to you and your friends?
The simple answer is, no, freedom of speech is meant for everyone.
Please do not say that the Pacific does not have freedom of speech. You have the right to say whatever the hell you want. And for what you speak there are consequences, sometimes positive and sometimes negative.
Perhaps Francos Spain is biased against this board is because this board is BIASED against him. Perhaps I was wrong that day to side with you and Bcslayers.
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Post by Myrdinn on Dec 10, 2003 4:30:09 GMT -5
Weren't we all!
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 10, 2003 6:43:50 GMT -5
Let me get this straight. You all are saying that Francos Spain and his "evil supporters" do not have the right to insult anyone whom they chose. Corithne, what happened to all that talk about freedom of speech? Is freedom of speech meant to only apply to you and your friends? The simple answer is, no, freedom of speech is meant for everyone. Please do not say that the Pacific does not have freedom of speech. You have the right to say whatever the hell you want. And for what you speak there are consequences, sometimes positive and sometimes negative. Perhaps Francos Spain is biased against this board is because this board is BIASED against him. Perhaps I was wrong that day to side with you and Bcslayers. Well, if you see it that way, maybe it is wrong of you to side with us. Are you so blind, that you don't see that any opinion against Francos will get you ejected from The Pacific. I dare you to excesice your freedom of speech in The Pacific. If your opinion is not the same as the opinion of Francos, you will find yourself ejected. I rather have "Plz endorse me" Bcslayers in Pacific than a blind delegate, that is ejected from The Pacific and still is too blind to see! The only consequences you have in my place is, that I will debate with you and might even get angry at you, if you have a different opinion. In Francos's realm you get an IP ban from his forum, you'll be ejected, and your puppets are no longer allowed in his feeder region! If you think that these are fair actions of expressing your opinion, you are most definitely fighting on the wrong side!
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Post by Crazy Girl on Dec 10, 2003 7:01:12 GMT -5
zhdanov, surely you can see the difference between just insulting someone, or having free speech?
i have no problem with free speech, if people want to have an open civilised discussion, then i would have absolutly no problem with that. but flaming is just childish, and i can't have any respect for that.
also, franco can do on his forum what he wants, it doesn't bother me much. i will do what i want on my forums.
but please, if you want to discuss this on someone else's forum (in this case networkradio), try to keep it civilised, so no cursing, or just plain insulting. this goes for both sides.
thank you.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Dec 10, 2003 13:33:46 GMT -5
What did Zhadnov say that has Crazy Girl and Corinthe all upset? He expressed HIS OPINION! So, if differs from the two of you. Okay, and the two of you scream the hue and cry that people don't express their freedom of speech in the Pacific? Give me a break!
Freedom of speech is permitted, but it is regulated somewhat. Just like in RL, you have to control it to some degree to maintain order. Remember when Francos took his "vacation" and what happened on the civil hq? I was surprised at the anarchy that was expressed there. Name calling, cursing, etc. I will admit that Crazy Girl refrained from most, if not all, of the ridiculous posts, but others lost their minds.
Censorship is useful in that it helps in the maintenance of order. Remember this, if the people of the Pacific did not like what the NPO is doing, they can easily leave. Most decide to stay, and, guess what? Most like it there!
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Post by Lucitainia on Dec 10, 2003 20:50:06 GMT -5
Remember this, if the people of the Pacific did not like what the NPO is doing, they can easily leave. Why should they leave? They're not the ones who suck.
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Post by Myrdinn on Dec 11, 2003 1:27:50 GMT -5
Why should they leave? They're not the ones who suck. I think you missed the point there. The residents of the Pacific like the status quo. They don't want to leave because they like the security of the region against invaders.
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Post by Unfree People on Dec 11, 2003 1:53:48 GMT -5
You're like a broken record, Myrdinn. I think I speak for us all when I say we're really sick of hearing how "stable" and "peaceful" and "content" the Pacific is. If that's the only praise you have for the place, once is fine, but once is enough!
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Post by Myrdinn on Dec 11, 2003 4:35:03 GMT -5
Yes, you are right Unfree. I should restrict my speech. And I went back and read my posts and I guess I do sound like a broken record, thus I shall refrain from the pro-stuff and just stick with the argument at hand. So, I guess instead of saying all that crap earlier, I should have just said, "the people like things the way they are in the Pacific." There, no sickening rah-rah speech there.
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Post by Crazy Girl on Dec 11, 2003 7:59:04 GMT -5
well, that was interesting..
signed up for their forum, posted some message (nothing insulting, just trying to talk), and i find the password to my account changed, the email changed, all my posts deleted and an ip-ban..
luckily for me, it was just a computer on my college, so i move to another one, make a new account, but again, password changed, email changed, posts deleted..
but this time no ip ban, because i said i was on my college.
still, there's some heavy censorship in there, theyeven deleted my post that suggested to report offensive names not only on their forum, but also to the mods through the getting help page, since that is way more effective..
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 11, 2003 18:02:25 GMT -5
well, that was interesting.. signed up for their forum, posted some message (nothing insulting, just trying to talk), and i find the password to my account changed, the email changed, all my posts deleted and an ip-ban.. luckily for me, it was just a computer on my college, so i move to another one, make a new account, but again, password changed, email changed, posts deleted.. but this time no ip ban, because i said i was on my college. still, there's some heavy censorship in there, theyeven deleted my post that suggested to report offensive names not only on their forum, but also to the mods through the getting help page, since that is way more effective.. Lol, I could get in from my school. It is so easy, as long you don't post. Obviously I had to use the name of one of my puppets, but school computers work fine for me. I'm gonna miss them during the hollidays
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Post by AckbarRedux on Dec 12, 2003 1:47:04 GMT -5
Beside the fact that you show that you are biased, why did you post this? Really Corinthe, lets not brow-beat one another, we have gotten along well enough to this point. As to the reason behind the post, it is biased-- towards your perspective actually, so not sure where the complaint is. My comment is simply that there is a lot of bickering in this thread, very little discussion. What we are left with is what we already know, most are against FS with a few in favor of him. I don't mind the call for clarification, but I would appreciate the benfit of doubt that I have earned, as where I may take sides it is generally not stereotypical or predictable. I have earned the right to be taken on face value (as odd as that it is to say), and as such it would be appreciated if you not assume I against you on this. Esp considering I want, or have long wanted at least, to bring FS out of the region as Delegate.
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Post by Crazy Girl on Dec 12, 2003 2:21:26 GMT -5
he's right about that ackbar is on our side, even when he tries to keep his stories as objective as possible, and even though he is an invader (right?), i still have a lot of respect for him.
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Post by Corinthe on Dec 12, 2003 7:43:58 GMT -5
he's right about that ackbar is on our side, even when he tries to keep his stories as objective as possible, and even though he is an invader (right?), i still have a lot of respect for him. My comment was not meant malicious. I was just wondering why he posted the obvious. I am the type who doesn't mind arguing with the pro's and the con's of every issue. The fact that I respect Ackbar and I actually think he's a nice guy, doesn't mean I can't argue with him. Anyway, this thread should be locked, because Francos is on a Holidays vacation, and let's his minions do the dirty work, while he is out there partying. My kind of guy Darn, it's almost impossible to play this game anymore. The server is slowly detering to a final breakdown and it isn't even the Holidays yet. I am glad that off-site forums excist, otherwise I had to say goodbye to you all
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